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		<title>By: Mike Silva</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-26590</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see, those are the personal attacks on me, Howard, and all throughout the internet that perplex me. We are talking about BASEBALL, and you have made it clear to others that your goal is to destroy the credibility of any site that you DON&#039;T AGREE WITH, or more appropriately, doesn&#039;t buy into 100% of your ideology. And yes, my issue with sabermetrics is the ideology part which Bill Baer appropriately outlined in a blog post well over a month ago. This isn&#039;t about creating more useful tools, but to gain power and access which in turn, equals money (hence follow the money trail, as an accountant you should know that very well)

You do realize you have been wrong? Adam Everett for one. This site is about opinion, entertainment, and having fun, not writing a thesis paper on advanced trigonometry. If that is what you want, God bless, to each his own. You are in the wrong place. 

To attack the way I make money, especially considering your industry has been at the forefront of the biggest financial scams in modern history is very ironic. Accounting, just like stats, makes a lot of things look a certain way that may not tell the whole picture. 

I know full well you come here and don&#039;t comment, as well as many AA readers. You don&#039;t want to link me, like me, or have a beer with me - fine. I really don&#039;t care, as you could tell. It hasn&#039;t hurt the site&#039;s growth or my will to churn out content. I have no agenda - unlike others. 

But to sit here and trash everything just makes you look small. Your better than that, but you let your jealousy, anger, and whatever else bugs you about the internet get in the way of your growth as a writer and baseball authority. That is why you are not respected as much as you should be. Because, deep down, you do good work, but can&#039;t get over your penchant to be an internet bully. That doesn&#039;t fly here.

Since this is no longer about Francoeur, but about personally attacking me, I am closing the comments. Something I hate to do, but I am afraid will take us away from our goal of talking baseball. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see, those are the personal attacks on me, Howard, and all throughout the internet that perplex me. We are talking about BASEBALL, and you have made it clear to others that your goal is to destroy the credibility of any site that you DON&#8217;T AGREE WITH, or more appropriately, doesn&#8217;t buy into 100% of your ideology. And yes, my issue with sabermetrics is the ideology part which Bill Baer appropriately outlined in a blog post well over a month ago. This isn&#8217;t about creating more useful tools, but to gain power and access which in turn, equals money (hence follow the money trail, as an accountant you should know that very well)</p>
<p>You do realize you have been wrong? Adam Everett for one. This site is about opinion, entertainment, and having fun, not writing a thesis paper on advanced trigonometry. If that is what you want, God bless, to each his own. You are in the wrong place. </p>
<p>To attack the way I make money, especially considering your industry has been at the forefront of the biggest financial scams in modern history is very ironic. Accounting, just like stats, makes a lot of things look a certain way that may not tell the whole picture. </p>
<p>I know full well you come here and don&#8217;t comment, as well as many AA readers. You don&#8217;t want to link me, like me, or have a beer with me &#8211; fine. I really don&#8217;t care, as you could tell. It hasn&#8217;t hurt the site&#8217;s growth or my will to churn out content. I have no agenda &#8211; unlike others. </p>
<p>But to sit here and trash everything just makes you look small. Your better than that, but you let your jealousy, anger, and whatever else bugs you about the internet get in the way of your growth as a writer and baseball authority. That is why you are not respected as much as you should be. Because, deep down, you do good work, but can&#8217;t get over your penchant to be an internet bully. That doesn&#8217;t fly here.</p>
<p>Since this is no longer about Francoeur, but about personally attacking me, I am closing the comments. Something I hate to do, but I am afraid will take us away from our goal of talking baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu B</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-26589</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo James, if you don&#039;t read this site anymore, why are you still posting comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo James, if you don&#8217;t read this site anymore, why are you still posting comments?</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-26588</link>
		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked -- SHOCKED -- that you don&#039;t have complimentary things to say about me or my writing. But thank you for continuing to read, cause I sure as heck don&#039;t read this site anymore.  Also I&#039;d put my overall knowledge of the game up against yours anyday.  A simple look into sabermetrics could have prevented your nonstop offseason posts about how Jeff Francoeur is awesome and Alex Cora is good and the Red Sox offense is terrible, or whatever other nonsense you were promoting.  

I&#039;ve made no designs about working in an MLB front office, I don&#039;t know where you got that from.  I have a pretty good job with a great company and am happy with my situation.  I mean, it&#039;s no Fortune 500 distributing cancer, umm, I mean cigarettes, like you have but it&#039;s something. 

My snark is reserved for people that deserve it, like yourself and people with ridiculous fake GM campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked &#8212; SHOCKED &#8212; that you don&#8217;t have complimentary things to say about me or my writing. But thank you for continuing to read, cause I sure as heck don&#8217;t read this site anymore.  Also I&#8217;d put my overall knowledge of the game up against yours anyday.  A simple look into sabermetrics could have prevented your nonstop offseason posts about how Jeff Francoeur is awesome and Alex Cora is good and the Red Sox offense is terrible, or whatever other nonsense you were promoting.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made no designs about working in an MLB front office, I don&#8217;t know where you got that from.  I have a pretty good job with a great company and am happy with my situation.  I mean, it&#8217;s no Fortune 500 distributing cancer, umm, I mean cigarettes, like you have but it&#8217;s something. </p>
<p>My snark is reserved for people that deserve it, like yourself and people with ridiculous fake GM campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Silva</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-26582</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if it gave you a laugh then I say &quot;mission accomplished&quot;

As for your obsession with Mr. Francoeur, I would consult a good psychologist because I can&#039;t help you there. Follow the  money trail? The sabr website crowd, including AA, has come pretty clean they are aiming for jobs in baseball. Much like the interns at my company, they will have them do nice presentations, give them applause, and probably sit them in the back room, largely ignoring their findings, but of course they are getting paid (very little) for it so kudos for it. I think it&#039;s cute how some openly state they want to be a GM in discussion. If they knew what a closed club MLB is (that would require talking to people in the game and not running numbers), they would realize how unrealistic that goal is.

The amount of time you spend trashing people could be spent learning more about the game. Thus far, I am unimpressed with the development of your writing style and baseball knowledge. 

It&#039;s a shame, because you have good things to offer, but tarnish that with snark and jealousy of others. 

Glad I could be a positive impact in your life with this post. Francoeur has disappointed, but I don&#039;t think he is as bad as you portray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if it gave you a laugh then I say &#8220;mission accomplished&#8221;</p>
<p>As for your obsession with Mr. Francoeur, I would consult a good psychologist because I can&#8217;t help you there. Follow the  money trail? The sabr website crowd, including AA, has come pretty clean they are aiming for jobs in baseball. Much like the interns at my company, they will have them do nice presentations, give them applause, and probably sit them in the back room, largely ignoring their findings, but of course they are getting paid (very little) for it so kudos for it. I think it&#8217;s cute how some openly state they want to be a GM in discussion. If they knew what a closed club MLB is (that would require talking to people in the game and not running numbers), they would realize how unrealistic that goal is.</p>
<p>The amount of time you spend trashing people could be spent learning more about the game. Thus far, I am unimpressed with the development of your writing style and baseball knowledge. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame, because you have good things to offer, but tarnish that with snark and jealousy of others. </p>
<p>Glad I could be a positive impact in your life with this post. Francoeur has disappointed, but I don&#8217;t think he is as bad as you portray.</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-26581</link>
		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 04:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this website has any purpose in the world, it&#039;s to make me laugh when I re-read this hysterical post.  Bravo.  When I need a LOL I google &quot;Jeff Francoeur does not suck&quot; or &quot;Suzyn Waldman Rogah Clemens&quot; and I am satiated.  

Follow the money trail.  And travel that trail with Alex Cora, Scott Schoeneweis, Jeff Francoeur and the Red Sox pathetic lineup.  LMAO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this website has any purpose in the world, it&#8217;s to make me laugh when I re-read this hysterical post.  Bravo.  When I need a LOL I google &#8220;Jeff Francoeur does not suck&#8221; or &#8220;Suzyn Waldman Rogah Clemens&#8221; and I am satiated.  </p>
<p>Follow the money trail.  And travel that trail with Alex Cora, Scott Schoeneweis, Jeff Francoeur and the Red Sox pathetic lineup.  LMAO.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-25985</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 18:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He also has been unlucky with some leather flashed at him. A few of those balls drop and who knows what kind of impact it has.&lt;/i&gt;

.215/.279/.369

A few of those drop and you can upgrade his condition from laughingstock to merely disastrous.  He&#039;s just a poor hitter, your rabbit&#039;s foot treatment of a small sample size from last year notwithstanding.  

&lt;i&gt;Right now you are seeing the Frenchy of 2008 (clearly unacceptable). &lt;/i&gt;

The Frenchy of 2009 (.280/.309/.423 93OPS+) was &quot;clearly unacceptable&quot;.  You keep failing to see this, which accounts for why this piece was written in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He also has been unlucky with some leather flashed at him. A few of those balls drop and who knows what kind of impact it has.</i></p>
<p>.215/.279/.369</p>
<p>A few of those drop and you can upgrade his condition from laughingstock to merely disastrous.  He&#8217;s just a poor hitter, your rabbit&#8217;s foot treatment of a small sample size from last year notwithstanding.  </p>
<p><i>Right now you are seeing the Frenchy of 2008 (clearly unacceptable). </i></p>
<p>The Frenchy of 2009 (.280/.309/.423 93OPS+) was &#8220;clearly unacceptable&#8221;.  You keep failing to see this, which accounts for why this piece was written in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-25984</link>
		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 14:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t write the Hot Foot commentary.  And I don&#039;t even know how that applies to the Francoeur situation.  Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t write the Hot Foot commentary.  And I don&#8217;t even know how that applies to the Francoeur situation.  Later.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 13:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me address this.

No one, including me, is saying that Francoeur should be given a pass. He is being asked to be more of a part of this offense than realistically possible. Right now you are seeing the Frenchy of 2008 (clearly unacceptable). The good news is if Beltran is healthy (big if I know) than Pagan can play RF. I said this during the offseason and that is why I was willing to take  risk on Francoeur who I believe could return to his 2007 offensive levels. I figured the Mets could get 1 of 2 from that group. 

I think the biggest problem with him is when he gets in a slump he doesn&#039;t slow down and stay true to the process (what we saw the first 10 games) and goes back to his hacking ways.

He also has been unlucky with some leather flashed at him. A few of those balls drop and who knows what kind of impact it has.

I have been wrong on Francoeur, but I am not sure Chris Carter is actually can play the corner everyday. Maybe we will see.

Also James, I saw you point out the whole draft pick scenario (with your Hotfoot commentary) with Carter and the Wagner trade. In spring training Wagner talked about how he ask Fred Wilpon to not pick up his option as he felt it would hurt his ability to sign with another club. The Wilpon&#039;s are very good with those requests so if they didn&#039;t trade Billy they would be left with nothing. Now the Sox wound up picking the option (probably why Billy was hesitant to approve the deal), but I think Atlanta could swallow the Sox getting 2 picks versus the Mets. Speculation on my part, but it was clear the Wilpon&#039;s weren&#039;t going to reneged on their promise. Remember, if they did, this is the kind of thing that could hurt future free agent dealings with the Mets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me address this.</p>
<p>No one, including me, is saying that Francoeur should be given a pass. He is being asked to be more of a part of this offense than realistically possible. Right now you are seeing the Frenchy of 2008 (clearly unacceptable). The good news is if Beltran is healthy (big if I know) than Pagan can play RF. I said this during the offseason and that is why I was willing to take  risk on Francoeur who I believe could return to his 2007 offensive levels. I figured the Mets could get 1 of 2 from that group. </p>
<p>I think the biggest problem with him is when he gets in a slump he doesn&#8217;t slow down and stay true to the process (what we saw the first 10 games) and goes back to his hacking ways.</p>
<p>He also has been unlucky with some leather flashed at him. A few of those balls drop and who knows what kind of impact it has.</p>
<p>I have been wrong on Francoeur, but I am not sure Chris Carter is actually can play the corner everyday. Maybe we will see.</p>
<p>Also James, I saw you point out the whole draft pick scenario (with your Hotfoot commentary) with Carter and the Wagner trade. In spring training Wagner talked about how he ask Fred Wilpon to not pick up his option as he felt it would hurt his ability to sign with another club. The Wilpon&#8217;s are very good with those requests so if they didn&#8217;t trade Billy they would be left with nothing. Now the Sox wound up picking the option (probably why Billy was hesitant to approve the deal), but I think Atlanta could swallow the Sox getting 2 picks versus the Mets. Speculation on my part, but it was clear the Wilpon&#8217;s weren&#8217;t going to reneged on their promise. Remember, if they did, this is the kind of thing that could hurt future free agent dealings with the Mets.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 12:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That someone feels compelled to write that a player doesn&#039;t suck speaks poorly about how that player is perceived...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That someone feels compelled to write that a player doesn&#8217;t suck speaks poorly about how that player is perceived&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-25981</link>
		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 07:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re wrong Spike -- Jeff Francoeur is the tits.  Who cares what his OBP or OPS or whatever crazy acronym they&#039;re floating around is.  Bottom line is he has a great smile and has had a tremendous impact on the clubhouse, actual on-field production takes a backseat to things like this.  Only people who don&#039;t bury their heads in spreadsheets can realize what a valuable player Jeff Francoeur is.  Why would you think the mainstream media and Mike Silva, who spent the whole offseason sucking Francoeur off, would write about his terrible production?  It&#039;s just not important compared to his intangible, off-the-field qualities. Take THAT Moneyball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re wrong Spike &#8212; Jeff Francoeur is the tits.  Who cares what his OBP or OPS or whatever crazy acronym they&#8217;re floating around is.  Bottom line is he has a great smile and has had a tremendous impact on the clubhouse, actual on-field production takes a backseat to things like this.  Only people who don&#8217;t bury their heads in spreadsheets can realize what a valuable player Jeff Francoeur is.  Why would you think the mainstream media and Mike Silva, who spent the whole offseason sucking Francoeur off, would write about his terrible production?  It&#8217;s just not important compared to his intangible, off-the-field qualities. Take THAT Moneyball!</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=15995&#038;cpage=1#comment-25978</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 15:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well?  Does he suck yet?  Is there anything more he need show you? 106 outs in 143 PA&#039;s - 3 more to crack the top ten!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well?  Does he suck yet?  Is there anything more he need show you? 106 outs in 143 PA&#8217;s &#8211; 3 more to crack the top ten!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea. I&#039;d entertain it because Beltran isn&#039;t getting any younger and the move to RF might be easier on his body. This might fit in nicely with the idea of the Mets obtaining BJ Upton. Under that premise, I would pull the trigger on a Beltran/Upton combo. Mets need a #2 hitter to compliment Reyes. My only concern is that Beltran might block the way for Ike Davis who I think is the RF of the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea. I&#8217;d entertain it because Beltran isn&#8217;t getting any younger and the move to RF might be easier on his body. This might fit in nicely with the idea of the Mets obtaining BJ Upton. Under that premise, I would pull the trigger on a Beltran/Upton combo. Mets need a #2 hitter to compliment Reyes. My only concern is that Beltran might block the way for Ike Davis who I think is the RF of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move Beltran to RF and find a long term solution in CF.

It&#039;s not risky to retain Francoeur.  That would imply some sort of upside.  There really isn&#039;t any.  2400 major league PA&#039;s have told us exactly what he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move Beltran to RF and find a long term solution in CF.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not risky to retain Francoeur.  That would imply some sort of upside.  There really isn&#8217;t any.  2400 major league PA&#8217;s have told us exactly what he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could be a risky move if they retain him. No guarentee that some job security puts out that fire we&#039;ve seen from him in his time with the Mets. What are some other options they would have in RF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be a risky move if they retain him. No guarentee that some job security puts out that fire we&#8217;ve seen from him in his time with the Mets. What are some other options they would have in RF?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  There really isn&#039;t any dislike for Francoeur, at least not from me.  He&#039;s just bad at baseball.  And, considering his career .311 OBP, I don&#039;t think that point is really up for debate.

The last thing the Mets want to do is sign him to a three year contract.  Or a one year contract.  They should probably just non-tender him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  There really isn&#8217;t any dislike for Francoeur, at least not from me.  He&#8217;s just bad at baseball.  And, considering his career .311 OBP, I don&#8217;t think that point is really up for debate.</p>
<p>The last thing the Mets want to do is sign him to a three year contract.  Or a one year contract.  They should probably just non-tender him.</p>
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