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Trading David Wright for Another Superstar



By Mike Silva ~ November 20th, 2011. Filed under: Uncategorized.

The odds of a team giving up the “king’s ransom” that Sandy Alderson would demand for David Wright is minimal. He’s coming off the worst season of his career on both sides of the ball, is recovering from an injured back, and there is the impending free agency. If they were intent on dealing Wright, a better route would the rare superstar for superstar change of scenario deal.

It’s rare that you see two superstars traded for one another. Often, it’s the big name going in one direction, with prospects coming back the other way. Earlier this week WFAN’s Mike Francesa proposed a Hanley Ramirez for David Wright scenario. If Miami signs Jose Reyes, then Ramirez would be asked to play third base. Some reports indicate this is not something he would be happy about.

Let’s compare Wright and Ramirez to date:

David Wright

Year Age Tm G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2001 18 NYM-min 36 120 27 36 7 0 4 17 9 16 30 .300 .391 .458 .850
2002 19 NYM-min 135 496 85 132 30 2 11 93 21 76 114 .266 .367 .401 .768
2003 20 NYM-min 133 466 69 126 39 2 15 75 19 72 98 .270 .369 .459 .828
2004 21 NYM-min 91 337 62 115 35 0 18 57 22 55 60 .341 .441 .605 1.046
2004 21 NYM 69 263 41 77 17 1 14 40 6 14 40 .293 .332 .525 .857 118
2005 22 NYM 160 575 99 176 42 1 27 102 17 72 113 .306 .388 .523 .912 139
2006 23 NYM 154 582 96 181 40 5 26 116 20 66 113 .311 .381 .531 .912 133
2007 24 NYM 160 604 113 196 42 1 30 107 34 94 115 .325 .416 .546 .963 149
2008 25 NYM 160 626 115 189 42 2 33 124 15 94 118 .302 .390 .534 .924 141
2009 26 NYM 144 535 88 164 39 3 10 72 27 74 140 .307 .390 .447 .837 124
2010 27 NYM 157 587 87 166 36 3 29 103 19 69 161 .283 .354 .503 .856 131
2011 28 NYM-min 6 21 9 10 3 0 0 2 1 6 3 .476 .593 .619 1.212
2011 28 NYM 102 389 60 99 23 1 14 61 13 52 97 .254 .345 .427 .771 114
8 Seasons 1106 4161 699 1248 281 17 183 725 151 535 897 .300 .380 .508 .887 134
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/19/2011.

Hanley Ramirez

Year Age Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2002 18 BOS-min 67 289 261 46 92 20 5 7 45 12 20 29 .352 .401 .548 .949
2003 19 BOS-min 111 464 422 69 116 24 3 8 50 36 32 73 .275 .327 .403 .730
2004 20 BOS-min 100 428 388 64 122 15 7 6 46 25 29 68 .314 .369 .436 .804
2005 21 BOS-min 122 519 465 66 126 21 7 6 52 26 39 62 .271 .335 .385 .720
2005 21 BOS 2 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100
2006 22 FLA 158 700 633 119 185 46 11 17 59 51 56 128 .292 .353 .480 .833 116
2007 23 FLA 154 706 639 125 212 48 6 29 81 51 52 95 .332 .386 .562 .948 145
2008 24 FLA 153 693 589 125 177 34 4 33 67 35 92 122 .301 .400 .540 .940 143
2009 25 FLA 151 652 576 101 197 42 1 24 106 27 61 101 .342 .410 .543 .954 148
2010 26 FLA 142 619 543 92 163 28 2 21 76 32 64 93 .300 .378 .475 .853 126
2011 27 FLA-min 6 22 21 6 10 1 1 0 4 1 1 2 .476 .500 .619 1.119
2011 27 FLA 92 385 338 55 82 16 0 10 45 20 44 66 .243 .333 .379 .712 95
7 Seasons 852 3757 3320 617 1016 214 24 134 434 216 369 607 .306 .380 .506 .886 132
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/19/2011.

Both players are very similar offensively and defensively. Both are coming off the worst years of their career. Where they diverge is attitude. During his career Ramirez has fought with management, teammates, and reporters. Despite all the craziness around the Mets, Wrightold SNY just the other day his “dream is to experience the good, the bad and the ugly, win a World Championship, play 15 years and do it all with the Mets.” There is not a hint of bitterness or anger in Wright. As a matter of fact, his biggest criticism is he puts too much of the burden on his shoulders.

This type of deal would allow Ramirez to continue playing shortstop. The Mets could then move Daniel Murphy to third base, versus holding their breath about him at second. Meanwhile, Miami could reunite the Wright/Reyes tandem in South Beach.

I wouldn’t part with Wright for Ramirez. I think they are similar offensive players and I take the one with the better attitude.  I can’t see the moody Ramirez having long-term success in the New York spotlight. I also could see him butting heads with the energetic Terry Collins.

Financially it’s a wash, as Ramirez has 3 years and $46 million left on his deal. Wright, if the Mets pick up his 2013 option, has 2 years and $31 million left.

Are there other superstars that could be available? The only other name I could think of is Joe Mauer. Things have soured for him in his hometown since he signed the 8 year/$184 million dollar deal. Last year he hit just .287 with 3 HRs and 30 RBI. I bet the Twins would jump at a Wright for Mauer deal, but with the Mets uncertain financial situation it’s just not feasible on their end. Besides, Mauer is 28 and signed until his late thirties. Are the Mets getting the Gold Glove catcher/MVP Mauer? If not, you have what could turn out to be one of the worst contracts in baseball. This past year he played first base and the outfield, in addition to catching. Right now Mauer is probably more screwed up than Wright.

I am rooting for David Wright to get it turned around here in New York. He has been through as much negativity as any superstar in the history of New York sports. Unlike Jose Reyes, he appears to be about the name on the front, versus the name on the back. Unless there is a king’s ransom ala when Texas traded Mark Teixeira to Atlanta, it’s best to keep Wright as the cornerstone of the franchise- for better or worse.

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11 Responses to Trading David Wright for Another Superstar

  1. 86mets

    I agree with you Mike. While a Wright for Ramirez deal on the surface looks good for both sides, Ramirez definetly has attitude issues and stunts like he pulled last season would be magnified 10 fold in NYC. No thanks.

    Mauer is a great guy but his real value is as a catcher and there are questions about his ability to remain their due to injuries. While he is a great hitter, if he has to move it would be to 1B the OF, or possibly 3B. He can hit .330 but without the power required of a corner IF/OF’er. At $20 Mil+ a season can you justify that salary for atypical production for a corner position? Maybe, if he hits .330 with 40+ 2B and 90+ RBI. But you cannot guarantee that at this point.

    All in all, if you’re to trade Wright it would be better to wait until next July and hope he regains form to rebuild his market value. The main reason his name is out there on the trade block now is that teams think they can swoop in and get him on the cheap while expecting a strong rebound in 2012. These teams obviously don’t have any great issues with Wright regarding his back injury or his declining stats. So whichever teams do not find a suitable 3B this offseason will likely still have strong interest in him in July as well. But hopefully for the Mets he will have regained his trade value and they will have more leverage in trade talks.

  2. Chuck Johnson

    Whatever it is you’re mixing in with your brownies, Mike, I want some.

    David Wright is not a superstar.

    Never has been, never will be.

    He’s a good player, but he’s not Ryan Zimmerman, or Evan Longoria.

    If the Mets have any hopes of regaining respectability they’ll need a franchise player to build around.

    The fact Sandy Alderson is so willing to listen to offers for Wright means he’s not that guy.

    Daniel Murphy at third?

    LOL..I’m a better third baseman than Murphy, and I’m over 50 and haven’t played competitively in 15 years.

    I actually like the Wright/Ramirez idea, it works for both teams, but to call Wright a superstar is an overstatement.

  3. NYM

    Chuck,
    Wright WAS a superstar. He was an elite player from 2005-2008. His production those years still tops anything Zimmerman has done to date and many of Longoria’s seasons as well. Those guys have surpassed him the last couple yrs, but acting like Wright has never been great is incorrect. if you consider Longo and Zimm to be “superstars” now, the Shea Stadium version of Wright was one without a doubt.

    If what Wright did those years wasn’t superstar or franchise player worthy then there is a huge shortage of franchise players around the league…only a handful of guys would qualify. (And the Mets aren’t about to get any of those guys anytime soon) So that would challenge the theory that you need a superstar/franchise player to win…which I do think it a faulty theory anyway.

    “superstar” is a very subjective term. And certainly I’d say if Wright hasn’t been a “superstar” the past 2 years…which he hasnt….neither has Hanley…their last 2 seasons are very similar.

    I’d also say “listening” to offers on a player doesn’t mean squat. The Mets are bad, and have no money, thats why there is Wright trade talk…not b/c nobody thinks there is any chance he can be a key player on a good team.

    Of course there is the big question as to whether Wright will ever get back to his previous levels and thats a problem. But to say he’s never been a superstar is inaccurate. Same scenario with Hanley. And really, as long as 2011 doesn’t become the norm, even a diminished Wright (what he did in 2009-10) is still very good.

    And you are also overexaggerating Murph’s defensive woes. He played fine at all 3 of the infield positions he played.

  4. Chuck Johnson

    Whatever you say.

    Homer

  5. NYM

    David Wright: 2005-2008
    .311 .394 .534 .928 (Not a superstar?)

    Ryan Zimmerman: 2011
    .289 .355 .443 .798 (superstar?)

    ok

  6. Chuck Johnson

    Dude..

    Never mind.

  7. Brien Jackson

    So Chuck, who do your sources say will be picking David Phelps in the Rule V draft?

  8. Piazza

    Wright has been worth more rWAR than Hanley over the past two seasons, regardless of his struggles. I’d rather have the player I saw come up and endear himself to Mets fans instead of a pouting, whining prick like Hanley.

  9. Stu B

    Ready for another round of Chuck vs. Brien, lol!

  10. Chuck Johnson

    Nope.

    Sorry to disappoint you, Stu.

    Not feeding any trolls today.

  11. Brien Jackson

    Heh, someone doesn’t like getting called out for fabricating rumors.

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