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Next Phenomenon: Starters Going Deeper in Games?



By Mike Silva ~ May 29th, 2009. Filed under: Mike Silva.

Phil Hughes demanding to pitch the ninth, Johan Santana throwing 120 pitches back to back, and Livan Hernandez complete game are examples this week of how we may see the starting pitchers revert back to throwing innings. We kept hearing while the Yankees were in Texas how Nolan Ryan has eliminated pitch counts in order to change the mentality of his hurlers throughout the organization. This quote may sum up best why I believe this is a smart move:

“The ceiling is off,” said [Mike] Maddux. “This is a mental thing we have to overcome. We have to change the attitude of the starters to want to go deep and believe they can . . . we want guys who want the ball deep in the game,” said Maddux. He believes that the results of this experiment will be seen as early as June. (source)

The key point is the “attitude of the starters”. The 100 pitch count has become the bewitching hour for pitchers over the last decade. We know that the number of complete games have decreased rapidly since 1987. Pitching depth is one of the reasons, but the babying of starters has been central issue. How can you expect pitchers to go deep if they never have been asked before in their life? It’s like a sprinter trying to run a marathon for the first time. Chances are, without practicing long distance, he will fail miserably.

A young pitcher like Phil Hughes demanding the ball should be refreshing to the Yankees. For all the talk about their innings limitations we have yet to see success from their babying philosophy. Obviously it didn’t stop Joba Chamberlain from getting hurt last season. They should have rewarded Hughes for demanding the ball instead of saying “maybe next time”. There may be a time this year that they need length from someone other than CC Sabathia. Knowing that Hughes can do that can be huge advantage.

We saw Jerry Manuel push Mike Pelfrey last season when the Mets bullpen was a disaster. Pelfrey continues to develop nicely and it very well could have an impact later this year when the Mets need him to go deeper into games. Ron Gardenhire has had Nick Blackburn throw 111 pitches his last two starts and Kevin Slowey threw 114 in back to back starts in April. Both are now anchoring a young Minnesota rotation.

We keep hearing how we won’t see a “horse” like Roy Halladay in the future. It starts with demanding more from your starters. Ron Darling is always talking during SNY telecasts that you have to have the mentality to prepare yourself to go nine innings instead of six. Obviously there is also the line between pushing pitchers and being irresponsible with their health. Ironically, and this has been mentioned on this site before, mechanics often have as much, if not more, to do with pitchers getting hurt than innings.

Bullpen specialization is still important and not going anywhere. Even the most mentally tough starters are going to need to be relieved. However, with the scarcity of quality bullpen arms, and the cost of premium set up men rising, developing pitchers who can give you 200+ innings is the next wave of success. It will be interesting to see how this philosophy spreads throughout baseball over the next couple of years.

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3 Responses to Next Phenomenon: Starters Going Deeper in Games?

  1. Ceetar

    I’ve been suspecting the tides will start to turn a little bit in regards to pitch counts. It’s why I’d love to have Leo Mazzone here as the Mets pitching coach. Manuel’s gotten a lot better as of late, but I wonder why he’s pushing guys more now with a good bullpen than last year with a bad one. He definitely pulled Santana after 8 last year twice, to see the bullpen blow it.

    This is how it should be. Mechanics are what causes arm problems, and the pitching coaches should be on the look out for guys that may alter themselves when they tire. Those are the guys to yank.

  2. Mike

    An odd coincidence…here we are, supposedly in the post-steroid (post HGH) era, and now they’re going to ask pitchers to throw more pitches, and more innings.

    How could it have been that pitchers, at least those who were cheating, weren’t able to go further along in the game. We might be able to say that, pitchers who were cheating were of a lesser quality, but, the likelihood is that, there was a spectrum of pitching quality spread across those that used stuff. Even the high end pitchers, didn’t seem to have the stamina for seven innings (let alone eight or nine).

    Perhaps we could say that steroids, etc. helped batters become better players more so than the junk helped pitchers become better (a hanging slider cares not who threw it). Maybe the stuff helped pitchers recover faster (between starts) more than it helped with velocity, and even more than it helped with location.

    Either way, it’ll give “cover” for any number of pitchers who become injured, providing ample opportunity to argue whether it’s a result of more pitching or of less medical assistance.

    I welcome, what clearly seems to be the game returning to a more normal state.

  3. Giuseppe Franco

    I’m not sure if those tides will change on this issue. I tend to doubt it – at least for now.

    Pitching is much more scarce these days and make a ton more money than when Ryan was an active player.

    Teams are going to take the wait and see approach and watch the Rangers develop their young pitchers closely over the next couple of years and see how durable they are in this new program.

    If there’s an increase in DL stints by Rangers’ pitchers over the next couple of years – the other teams aren’t going to change anything about their program.

    This isn’t something that’s going to catch on around the league until Texas starts showing results that prove their program works.

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